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i'm chris haynes for ed schultz. check out our new blog at ed.msnbc.com. read more of my work at the nation.com or follow > who stopped the checks? take this to the bank. most jockeys revolving around who's going to get blamed. democrats and republicans each set the other wants a shutdown, which could tell you that neither side wants any part of a shutdown, but ask yourself an easy one the we have a new poll
and a bunch of numbers. there is something that paul ryan didn't want to talk about yesterday when he unveiled his big plan to cut $5.8 trillion in spending. most of the savings he talked about are offset by, get this, a $4 trillion cut, offsetting that $5.8 billion cut in spending in tax cuts. more tax cuts for the corporations and the wealthy. didn't tell you about that one, did he? smart move there. plus why are the republicans going after planned parenthood? bill clinton has weighed in. glenn beck is out. did he jump or was he pushed?
let me finish tonight with the paranoid style of american politics. david corn, and john feehery, always a good sport and republican strategist. you're going to have to be a good sport tonight, you are on the losing end of this titanic. >> we'll see. federal loans interrupt, fha loans interrupted, stopped for a while. passports would go unprosed, and unemployment benefits might be suspended. so that's a lot of action, david, corn, for the republicans. republicans, do they hate it so much they are going to take blame for killing it for a while? >> i think half of them say yes.
i mean this is the problem that john boehner's having, that i don't believe he wants to shut down, he was around in 1996 when it happened and saw bill clinton turn it to a political advantage, but i do believe that part of that tea party freshman class does want to see a shutdown. they yearn for it, they hanker for it and they don't care what the numbers are, 40 billion, 50 billion, 60 billion, they actually want to see the government shut down because they hate it that much somehow and they don't care about blaming the president for it, they want to see government killed. >> let me go to john feehery on that i think you represent the republican party, not the tea party. normally, it seems to me that john boehner is in his postnasal drip state right now. he is in a lachrymose mood i look at him almost ready to go completely wet in the face because he has to defend a group he is happy with, republicans and party chairs and committee chairs that he's worked with for 10 and 20 years, and these wild
people that basically want to do -- i believe you're right, david corn, shut down government to make a point. in fact, because they don't like government? >> well, chris -- >> isn't it true that the tea party people don't like government, just to be fair? >> i disagree. >> how about answer my question, don't go michele bachmann on me. isn't it true that republicans of the he tea party sort really would just like to see less government? they would like to see government shut down for a while because they think they can probably live without it? >> it's no secret that some members of the tea party are angling for a government shutdown, but that is not the real story. the real story -- >> good enough for us. >> actually not accurate. i think that, chris, everyone will get blamed, both sides get blamed if the government shuts down. i think the president will take the majority of the blame because he's in charge. i would say the person who deserves the majority of the blame is harry reid, the senate majority leader who i think he and chuck schumer both think that this helps them politically if the government shuts down, and then they can blame the republicans. >> i can tell you who doesn't want a shutdown, that is john boehner, he lived through it. patriotic reasons he doesn't want a government shutdown, and
i think political reasons, he does not want a shutdown. >> let's take a look at this we have got a report on that that might challenge what you said, john feehery, all fairness get it out. politico reports today that house speaker john boehner, the man you just mentioned, told house republicans this monday, a couple days ago, "the democrats think they benefit from a government shutdown. i agree with them." here is the problem, what's the point of that? isn't that something you worry, the speaker of the house you just mentioned in quiet in back room with fellow republican, the democrats win this if the government shut downs? >> i was there in 1995 and 1996 -- >> you weren't there monday. >> i wasn't there monday. >> we are talking about monday, john, not a history lesson here. what happened monday? why did boehner say this time around the tea party looked like the wild people, and they looked like the bad guys? you didn't have tea party people back in the '9 ons. >> we had kind of tea party people back in the '90s. let me say that john boehner
understands the politics of this he understands also, a different cast of characters here in the leadership. they are all saying the same thing which is we do not want the government to shut down which is far different than what happened in 1995 and '96 when they said they did want the government to shut down. this is my point. i believe that the whole -- both sides will get the blame. i think this is bad for president obama as well. >> but what they are saying, john, is if you don't really give us more -- more than half of what we want, we will see a government shutdown. they asked for $61 billion in cuts. we are now up to $33 billion that's over half. they only control one house -- >> david. >> they only control one house of congress, john and they are still saying this is not good enough. >> different dynamic. >> now they're arguing over 0.83% of the budget. not going to accept the president's --
>> what's going to happen tomorrow -- >> okay, one at a time. >> what happens tomorrow is the republicans are going to pass continuing resolution that's going to include pentagon spending and they are going to send it to harry reid and then senator reid has to make a decision, am i going to pass this or am i going to get blamed for the government shutdown, that's how the story will progress. >> here is a question i have for you, john feehery. it seems to me the republicans can see a little causality here, the voter out there. they go whenever the republicans come charging into washington, whether newt gingrich, whoever, this guy the tea party people, not really boehner, he has been here. wait a minute, then the government gets shut down. they see the government shut down, they see newt gingrich, republicans come in here, they see it shut down. do you think people see that? >> what happened in '96, '97, '98, we balanced the budget and the economy grew. >> here we go. >> if that's what happens this time, i'm all for a small shutdown. >> under bill clinton that was, yes. >> well, under newt gingrich, too. >> look at the "new york times" -- an exchange between the president and the speaker yesterday. >> look at the "new york times" description from yesterday, according to one person in the room, the president encouraged mr. boehner to figure out how to go to your caucus and declare victory, you are already most of the way you wanted to go the president there is coaching boehner politically on the fact that boehner -- doesn't have to coach him, you know bain wore
boehner would like to be out of the woods on this. he looks like he is ready to guy die over this thing. remember the irish guy in "casino" with his head in the vise down in the basement in the factory, a tough irishman but got your head in a vise? it is just like that boehner the tea party on one side, the president, both squeezing, then crazy pants on the top pushing on birth control. >> chris, chris -- >> so many squeezing on his head no wonder he is juicing. >> the president said yesterday why don't we act like adults an the only one acting like an adult during this whole thing is john boehner. i think he will come out looking good. i really do. >> did you write that ahead of time? that last line you wrote down ahead of time. you couldn't be thinking that right now. nobody thinks like that in this conversation. >> it depends -- he looks like an adult if he can control the kindergartners in his wild class, the tea party folks. then maybe an adult but so far, he is not doing that he looks like the substitute school teacher being pushed around. >> okay. you guys talk at the same time. let me try it this way. i talk, you guys listen. >> go ahead. >> school yard fight here,
basically, i admit it doesn't have a lot of maturity to it but i look at the president's debonair quality the other day, calm, collected no sweating, no sfitzing, up in new york, liking this fight, cool, calm, then look at boehner, the guy looks like he is under -- i feel for the guy. how can you not feel for this guy, feehery? feel for him, not fear for him, feehery. now my feeling is the guy is in pain, give him some sympathy, he doesn't want to be where he is. look at him. do you think that guy wants this fight? then look at obama. he is mr. charm city, the guy looks great. i'm sorry. that's baltimore. he looks great. >> i think john boehner wants to cut spending -- >> look at that look at that looks like he just won the world wrestling championship. he is happy. >> very successful. >> john boehner has already won most of the fight, yet not conceding anything else if he doesn't, he's going to look like he's leading. >> why do you guys want to shut down the government? john feehery, some guys want to shoot spitballs or tell jokes or whatever, why do republicans
always come to town and say let's shut down the government? >> i remember in 1990 when george -- tom foley shut the government down for a week. this happens. these are two different parties with two different philosophies and they are coming at it, and they are negotiating and that's what happens. >> let's take a lock at the poll a brand-new poll out tonight -- break this tie, it says that 68% of democrats think their party's leaders should compromise on the budget, only 25% think they should stick to -- catch that number, only 7 out of 10 want a compromise. among republicans, 56% want a compromise. why does one party want to deal? first, david corn, all by yourself, david corn, why does your part of the world want ko compromise the center left and the other party doesn't want to compromise at all? what's going on? >> i think they are being more responsible. i think they are realizing that we have divided government right now. wait to deal with divided government is try to come up with compromises which often means cutting it down the middle
more or less, whether you agree. that is obama's perspective. a lot of people on the left think he should be fighting more, giving too much, but that doesn't seem to be boehner's perspective now when he had a good deal. >> john, same question why does the democratic party want to deal and compromise and the republican party doesn't? in fact, we checked it out, the tea party people that don't want to compromise, the regular republicans want to compromise. your thoughts? >> i think in the senate lot -- 23 democratic senators up and they want to be on the right side of the american people which means they want to cut spending. so i think that's why -- the problem is that harry reid and is the senators have not passed a budget in two years, and they have been completely irresponsible and not getting any of the blame which i think is shocking to me. >> i agree on the one point, isn't he right, david in this regard? democrats do feel government does have a spending and deficit problem and something ought to be done to address it and they are willing to compromise to do it. the republicans recognize there is a problem with the deficit and debt, we, and they are not willing to compromise. >> democrats talk about revenue enhancements and all sorts of
things. >> that's called tax increases. >> they don't believe in giving tax breaks to the rich while cutting medicare. >> you know why you're wrong -- john, you know why you're wrong today, not you but your party? >> what's that? >> you wouldn't be throwing everything in like the kitchen sink. if mike pence wanted to deal he wouldn't be talking about birth control. if mike pence wanted to deal, the speaker wouldn't be talking about, in this case, climate change. making all kinds of add-ones to this discussion. riders they cause it. making it harder to deal with. if they wanted to deal they wouldn't be putting the social stuff on. >> chris, our man of the house, you love the house of representatives as much as i do the house worked its will and passed its bills and the fact of the matter is the senate has not done anything like the right to stand up for what they passed. >> you spend all these years since working into the house going to the michele bachmann school of argument, not doing you well, always changing the subject, you are not hypnotized but you are dangerously in trouble. thank you, david corn and thank you john feehery.
>> thanks, chris. coming up, the budget proposed by republican congressman paul ryan revamps health care for the poor while cutting taxes. got this? save money by, well, cut the taxes of the rich people and then cut medicare. in fact, get rid of it. no wonder democrats think they can punish republicans for ryan's plan. that is ahead. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. it bringsings yos s it hit helps the lhe of companipanies like the she smallestt ofof startups.ups. th ththat lets yos your employeloy, pa and custcustomersvate and sharee so you can can unleash tsh the of your mor your peopleople. look, we've all dealt with the itching of athlete's foot.
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welcome back to "hardball." republican reviews of congressman paul ryan's budget proposal yesterday have crept in slowly. the possible presidential candidate's offered polite praise and very careful wording. tim pawlenty said the ryan plan is offering real leadership. mitch daniels called it the first serious proposal. mike huckabee said it's a start. mitt romney said ryan is setting the right tone. and sarah palin said it's a good start. none of them, by the way, said i agree with it. white house press secretary jay carney was a little more clear, he put to out a statement in put it cuts taxes for millionaires and special interests while placing a greater burden on is seniors who depend on medicare or life in nursing homes. families struggling with a child who have serious disability, workers who have lost their health care coverage and students and their families who rely on pell grant r republicans excited to have their leaders talking about getting rid of medicare and offering tax cuts to corporations?
"time" magazine's mark halperin, msnbc senior analyst and chris cillizza, "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. chris, you are very good at reading things. you scoop us most of the time on getting these direct quotes immediately out of the mouths of people. before they even begin to talk, you get them out. have you noticed that none of these gentlemen who are running for president of the united states said, yes, i agree with ryan? not one of them? >> 100%. i love that graphic. as we au know, the devil is in the detail, every one of them said we need to have a serious conversation about what is going on with the budget in this country. president obama has said that every democrat and republican in the country has said that. what no one has said, yes, paul
ryan's proposal specifically as it relates to medicare is the one i would back. the reason for that is not complicated. we know any conversations about medicare, we know this from years of political analysis, any conversation about medicare makes older folks nervous. who votes most reliably? old folks, not going to see the mitt romneys, tim pawlenty, haley barbours, mike huckabees, not embrace the plan, because they know the dangers inherit in it. >> polls, 6-4 polls, they don't mean a whole lot to me. catch this poll. here's a greet poll. should medicare be cut to reduce the federal deficit? 76% say no. people over 65, just guessing it is probably 90%. >> even though ryan's plan would keep people currently on medicare in the system as -- >> because they don't like having the program they depend on the road to the trash can. >> i think there are two things about what is going on now that i think are important. one is that we are not having the adult conversation that we should be having in the media
and politics because there have to be medicare cut it is there's going to be a balanced budget or anything like deficit reduction. two we have to talk about what cuts mean because the cuts to providers? is it to doctors and hospitals or cuts to beneficiaries or cuts to states? we have to talk about medicare, medicaid what those mean. >> any time you say cut it, cut it when you say cut defense, people don't say exactly, they say cutting defense they don't like they know it adds up to how strong the military s if you stop writing checks to people they are going to stop working, you are going to stop getting services, stop getting health care. >> going to have to be significant cuts to lots of people in the country if people are serious about deficit reduction. the polls show people aren't serious about specific, but the overall goal. we need political leadership to explain. >> chris, chris -- >> watch congressman ryan on "morning joe." we will pick up after that, chris. >> sure. >> we are doing revenue-neutral tax reform, if you broaden the tax base, get rid of the loopholes and deductions that
distort economic activity, lower tax rates, you make american businesses competitive. >> here is a "new york times" analysis, house republicans say the budget would cut $5.8 trillion for projected spending and slash individual and corporate income tax by more than $4 trillion. current projections somewhat offsetting the spending cuts and limiting the overall deduction in the deficit. the headline last night was the spending cuts. now we find out it comes with a package, a blue plate special which includes huge tax cuts for the rich. why would a guy who is ready to inflict pain on grandma at the same time say let's give the hotshot on wall street a big cut in taxes? >> chris -- >> is that smart politically? >> i think -- no is the short answer. but i think mark's got the essence of it, which is anytime you try to do something -- is there is a reason we haven't reformed medicare and medicaid and social security because it is politically hard to do.
any time you try to propose a comprehensive budget like paul ryan proposed, this is what's going to happen. just to add very quickly to mark's point, the "washington post" did a poll last month, asked folks, would you be willing to do a, b, c, e, f to bring down the deficit, not one of those proposals, medicare wasn't in there, not one got majority support, which speaks to mark's point, schs people like the idea of bringing down the dead, they think debt is a problem, don't want to put it onto our kids but don't want to do anything about it and that is the political rub. >> i can see -- i can see why republicans want to reform medicare, they are responsible to want to do it maybe not exactly the way ryan propose. >> wouldn't they like to get -- >> no. >> of course they would. >> democrats continue to lose the fight on tax cuts. it is amazing in the lame duck session, in the presidential election of 2004, john kerry couldn't do it barack obama couldn't do it. >> what is going to do it? >> try to win the fight, courage of their convictions to say rich people should pay more taxes in this country.
they can win that debate in theory but haven't been able to win it politically the context of an overall discussion that should be as -- >> i wonder why politicians -- >> ryan is as vulnerable on that as anything in the past. >> politicians should be willing to pay for what they support in terms of government activity. do you agree? >> yeah. >> absolutely. they should be willing to pay for it willing to limit the amount of government activity of amount they are following tax? >> yes. >> is that fair? they should limit what they support in spending down to what they are willing to tax. >> keep it all as low as possible. >> that will never happen because the people want those things. >> everybody's little program, everybody be's little program is the most important thing to them in their district, the problem we get into. broadly it's a good idea. >> let me tell you why i think it is a big issue, let me tell you why i think the democrats win this. if you are in your 70s, 80s, even 60s, a health problem, you know the health expenses, you dare to look at the actual bill, not the co-pay, ask the hospital what is this really costing somebody, it is so high, your social security won't even cover it. in other words, if every dime you have coming in won't cover your health expenses, you know you need help from somebody. >> a horrible reality but the current trajectory of the system
is such they won't have anything, they won't have the current system it will be bankrupt. democrats now have to have to have an alternative, ryan's plan is imperfect, and liberals may know like it. >> why would the government stop paying the bills of medicare patients? >> because we are an older population, fewer young workers contributing. >> that is a republican argument, nothing wrong with it, it is a republican argument. >> medicare, look at the protections of medicare and medicaid costs. >> the government provides the health care for seniors it has promised to provide them, we will be out of business, people wouldn't elect them anymore. the government that comes along, the president who says i won't pay the health care costs of seniors which i promised to do is in big trouble. >> people promised the current system will have the current system under what ryan's proposing and i don't think anything will pass for medicare. it's all talking about the future. >> okay. the problem we had the other day and i think i learned something the other day, chris, the reason we have medicare, you can't make any money insuring the health and success of old people, the older you get, the more expensive to keep alive, just a fact, you can't say we want to privatize it.
what business would want to go into providing health care the older they get? >> not a profitable one. chris, this is the nub of the problem. again, i just keep coming back to to the rhetoric does not match anything even close to the results. that's true for politician and for the public. >> okay. we are going to get back in. another fight coming up over planned parenthood. the republicans are not happy with just cutting spending for old people they want to get rid of birth control help which baffles me if you're against abortion, why you would get rid of birth control, doesn't make sense. anyway, a lot of it doesn't. mark halperin, thank you, chris cillizza. you're both much more conservative than i am tonight. michele bachmann dodges a question that's news, about her tendency to say things that aren't true. she's taking on obama again. no matter what you ask her she goes against obama. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc.
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back to "hardball." now for the sideshow. first up, answer the question please. this morning, nbc's savannah guthrie pressed congresswoman michele bachmann about her track record of saying things that are demonstrably false. >> do you feel the need to be more precise in your statements so that people recognize you are a person of substance? >> well, i am a person of substance. i have a law degree. i have a postdoctorate degree in tax law. my husband and i have started two clinics. >> do you think you have been a little loose with the facts sometime? >> we together with other parents started the first charter school in the united states for k-12 students. yes, it's important we have accuracy but take a look at president obama's credibility. he is the one who said if we pass this trillion dollar stimulus package that we wouldn't see unemployment go up 8%. >> but congresswoman, i asked about you and some of your statements. so in -- >> actually, that was christine
romans that said it. the latest ideological media training there, you saw it, ignore the question, stick to the attack. michele bachmann has it down cold. by the way, happy birthday, congresswoman. next up, behind enemy lines, back in 2007, donald trump. congratulated newly sworn-in speaker nancy pelosi, which is a written note saying "she was the best." when confronted with that bit of history the 2012 contender told politico "when i send nancy a letter, i want her to do a great job for the country, not for her party, okay, honey?" could it be that mr. trump isn't quite the partisan fire bred he quite the partisan firebrand he is demonstrating himself to be? we will see. up next, republicans are trying to strip funding for planned parenthood, funding that goes directly toward cancer screening and birth control, among other things why are republicans playing politics with women's had health? let's get that. we are coming to that in a second. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. 3q double shift... i need a break.
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welcome back to ohio. as the battle continues over the budget and possible government shutdown this weekend, in fact as early as friday, one issue contained in the budget is a republican-backed measure that would strip planned parenthood of federal funding, money that goes directly toward cancer screening and birth control, among other things, so why is the republican party going after women's rights and health care in this regard? joan walsh, our friend, joins us, writes for salon and melissa harris-perry ,a professor at princeton. i want to start with joan. i'm going to be careful here. here is republican mike pence, let's hear what he has to say, spearheading this cause, let him speak for himself. he says he is willing to hold up the budget, bring down the whole government to over one issue, planned parenthood. listen to him say it.
>> are you willing to hold this up entire budget over defunding planned parenthood? >> well, of course i am. i think the american people have begun to learn that the largest abortion provider in the country is also the largest recipient of federal funding under title x, and they want to see that come to an end. you know, i think there's a broad consensus in this country, regardless of where you stand on the subject of abortion, there's a broad consensus for decades now opposing public funding of abortion and abortion providers. we are going to dig in and we are going to fight for the principle the taxpayers should not have to subsidize the largest abortion provider in the country, namely planned parenthood of america. >> let's get to the clarity here, joan, the issue here is not funding of abortion which is outlawed under the hyde amendment, where it stands, the law, whatever you think about it, that is the law. >> that's the law. >> he is talking about defunding planned parenthood, i understand to be helpful in terms of women, health screening, poor women
especially who wouldn't normally have a good doctor, wouldn't have the access to birth control. and if you don't like abortion and very few people think it is good to have so many abortions, one way to reduce them is to have less unexpected or unwanted pregnancy and one way to deal with that is called birth control and why people are against birth control and against abortion, you ought to be thinking about the serious thing you are concerned with and not the other part of it which is birth control. why do they want to get rid of birth control if they care about abortion? >> they are trying to muddy the water, really trying to control women's lives they don't care about poor women. and you know, i know this is not a polite word to use, chris, but he is like. and he knows it not a dime of federal money goes to planned parenthood to fund abortions. now, they do have a separate operation that performs some abortions but the bulk of what they do -- and that's all -- all private money. it is in separate buildings. it has separate administration. it's practically a different organization. planned parenthood gets federal dollars to provide family planning and as you said, health
screening services. and that's what they are trying to take away, 800,000 breast exams last year, chris, 1 million cervical cancer screenings, six out of ten women who go into planned parenthood say that is where they get their primary health care, had they get a range of services when they walk in there, not merely birth control services. so, it's really unconscionable and it will increase the number of abortions that's the ironic and sick thing. >> i look at that, professor, professor harris-perry, and i look at the people, always interesting to see who is not on the team, scott brown is not on the team that wants to kill planned parenthood. olympia snowe, a republican woman senator. susan collins, another republican woman senator. lisa murkowski, another republican. there is a pattern here, isn't there? women republican senators don't like this attack. i always hear good things about planned parenthood and not from people that are necessarily on this side of the pro-choice movement either but why are they going after this group? the republicans? >> yeah, sure there's a couple of reasons.
one is that by putting this on planned parenthood and particularly by coming down to this sort of final moment and saying we will hold up the whole thing over the question of defunding planned parenthood, it allows, if there is in fact a government shutdown, for the blame to be placed not on obstructionist republicans who are making a set of choices that the country simply cannot live with in the long term, but instead to kind of offset that blame on radical feminists who want to give people abortions. you see what happens is then the -- >> who is doing that? >> well, that's what happens if the government shut downs around the planned parenthood question. in other words, the issue of will you -- will you hold the line on this? if the president and the democratic party don't hold the line on this, then they recognize that they have a very strong possibility of losing the support of women voters. however, if they do then this sort of group of women who are reproductive rights advocates can be characterized as these
sort of hard-core feminists who want to give people abortions and they can be blamed for the shutdown. so, there's this way that economic crisis creates moral panic and so the republican party is taking advantage of the kind of economic downturn to generate a moral panic that allows for the scapegoating, in this case, of women and their supporters who are supportive of reproductive rights. >> let me ask you this joan, you and i are catholic. why are people against abortion and i respect all positions on this, belive it to or not, get together and say all the rallies in the world, all the pro-life rallies in the world, maybe very good in terms of intentions are not really stopping abortions or reduce the numbers of birth control is and whatever you think about abstinence it has its role but birth control also has its role, i think most people believe and if it's not there you are going to have a lot more unwanted pregnancies, a lot more abortions but rallies don't stop abortion, birth control does. >> birth control stops abortion. >> why do they want to kill it especially among poor people
that may not be as organized in terms of birth control i look at the statistics here and that's the problem. poor people who don't use birth control end up having pregnancies and they have abortions and that's in the numbers, we have been looking at. >> the guttmacher numbers show if this goes through, the abortion rate for poor women in particular will double. i can't believe that anybody want that on any side, chris. there have been a lot of common ground common grounds here, i'm a huge, huge fan of francis kiss ling, started catholics for a free choice. she has led and tried to spearhead and many other great faith leaders have try to do this, a common ground conversation where let's find -- let's fund contraception, let's also fund feeding programs, wic, women and infants program, so no woman has an abortion because she can't afford to have a child. economy can't get republican support for these kinds of
efforts, this hypocrisy, don't care about stopping abortion but just in interfering in the lives of women, as melissa says, making women scapegoats. but this isn't going to work. there is a broad-based coalition to fight back. americans support contraceptions, they support planned parenthood. we are the mainstream position, they are the crazy. i know you know bill clinton came out with a wonderful statement. >> here is bill clinton's statements, doesn't make many on this issue, a former politician, republicans eliminate the funding for planned parenthood will in the end cost more than it saves by ending the ability of more than american women to receive family planning services, breast and cervical cancer screenings and preventive health care at cost-efficient planned parenthood centers and the denial of simple birth control and other family service may very well increase the number of abortions in our country. professor there you have it from former president clinton who rarely issues statements like this necessary this issue. let's look at it. your thoughts? what do you -- talk about the
feminist piece of this i know you are a theoretician about this. what is your theory about why a guy like mike pence, who everybody thinks is running for governor of indiana, is pushing for this. let me point out one other thing, you said that birth control stops abortions. let me tell you the other thing we know tracks with the lowering of abortions and the lowering, by the way, of unwed mothers, all kinds of sort of social, moral ills that the republican party has an anxiety about and that is when the economy gets better, when people have jobs, when people are in an economic situation where they feel that they can bear the next child, remember that the majority of women who seek termination services already have at least one child. these are not women who are unwilling to be mothers if only they had the baby they would realize how good life is with a baby, these are often people making very difficult economic choices. so in fact, what we need to do is to invest in communities and invest also in supporting those
are the poorest so they can make a different set of choices around families so why are the republicans pushing this? because they believe it energizes their base, because they believe it gives them a space. >> i got to go to your class some day. invite me up there i want to go to princeton. >> thank you, melissa harris-perry, professor at princeton and joan walsh, like me, we didn't go to princeton. maybe you did. up next, glenn beck is out as a host, well, that's sort of tragic news, isn't it? what happened to this guy? why isn't he there? look at him. he wants to keep this job, maybe. this is "hardball," only on msnbc.
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this president i think has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again who has a deep-seeded hatred for the white people or white culture. i don't know what it is. >> i don't know what to say to that kind of talk. welcome back. that was glenn become on fox and friends what an unlikely place to talk like that today we
learned that fox outed at david brock is an expert. what was it that caused roger ailes i believe to play a role in whatever it was for the dismissal of this character. >> i think basically three things. one is the content of the show, you just saw a clip, you said you didn't know what to say to >> what do you say? >> he calls the president, who is probably the most nonracial person we know, who has fought against the usual prejudices of this country, to reach a level of, i don't know what, absolutely benign attitudes toward the whole situation and to call him racist -- >> it is race spating, classic race spating. you have the content of the show, race-baiting, the apocalyptic rhetoric. >> the united states army led by the two bushes systemically avoided targeting the new seat of the caliphate. the bushes are working for the caliphate. >> that's right.
>> here on the caliphate, both our republicans, hawks, played in not hitting the target of the new caliphates capital. let's listen to the insanity. >> iraq is really important, especially to the shiites, especially to the twelvers who are in charge of this country right now. what is in iraq? there's one place that we told our bombers not to bomb. does anybody know what it was? two wars in iraq, we said no bombing there. ancient babylon. ancient babylon. why? because the bible tells us that that is the site right here of power of a global evil empire. that's also where the 12th imam from iran is supposedly going to show up. everybody on this side wants ancient babylon for their
caliphate. >> it's priceless bodily fluids, right out of dr. strangelove. it's in sane talk to talk about we are working with the caliphate to avoid bombing the seat of the new caliphate. and then he says, shoot me in the head, shoot him in the head. it's insane. >> the last piece of this is the invitement sightment of violence. some of the actual followers of beck almost carrying out on these threats. you have the content part, then you have the business aspect of it. the original clip showed he has a deep seeded hatred for white people sparked a major advertising boycott against the show. >> you talk about content. how about financing. i heard, i don't know, through the grapevine. that people don't want their product identified with that kind of craziness? >> i think the evidence is clear. he's lost more than 300,000 advertisers. >> did you do that?
>> in part with a group -- >> year proud of that? >> sure. >> why would you do it, just tell us your point of view? >> glenn beck was particularly dangerous, i think, and to have that presence mainstreamed was almost a unique problem in terms of the discourse. i think this is a victory for civil discourse. >> it's not just right wing talking, is it? >> correct. >> it's different. >> even within the net wok, it's not bill o'reilly, it's not sean hannity. you've seen some paranoid ravings of a madman. it's a different thing. that's why advertisers didn't want to be associated with him. >> why does this work on radio and not television? you know he'll have a future on radio. it's more intimate, more niched. >> i think the fear mongering works even better on the radio, because you're drawn closer in. he will have a future on radio,
there's some speculation he may have syndication on television or something like that. but i think at the end of the day, his reputation will be remembered as -- for what did is, that even fox had to draw a line, that fox saw he was a liability. fox saw he was bad for business. >> i recognized him years ago, when he came out and said, there is no climate change. he's one to play any game. >> he's also lost a million viewers in the last year. >> thank you for coming on, and your successful campaign. you weren't alone on that, i was with you. >> i think o'reilly has a legitimate point of swru. this isn't a point of view, this is crazy. when we return, let me finish with why paranoia and conspiracy theorys have no place in our politics. sam higgins? you have frequent heartburn, right?
your hopes, dreams. is there any logic to it? you have to be kidding me. it's a demented view. fear of the unknown requires no logic. thinking isn't necessary, the fear alone does the work for you. i give you the trio of conspiracy theorys. one, the people in power in this country killed jack kennedy. you know, the cia, the fbi, under j. edgar hoover, throw in the dallas police, even the irish mafia. they were all in a plot to send this car down the same street where lee harvey oswald was waiting with his gun. this is grand conspiracy, where everyone's in it together so that they can continue a horribly unpopular war in vietnam. you like that one. there's another one for you, the president of the united states blew up the world trade center, it was he, george w. bush behind
all the smoke and mirrors who pushed down that plunger. he did the same to the pentagon, blew it up. that airplane never went near the building. everything was faked by the men in the highest positions in our government. all working together, all keeping the secret the one they hatch in those backrooms, that you and i aren't allowed to enter. i have another one for you. they had this plot to have this mixed race guy elected president way back in 1970. they had him born outside the country so he could be eligible to run some day. they got the government of hawaii to comply and sign a phony birth certificate. they got his father to leave when he was two. aren't these people smart? looney bins. that's where they belong, in a looney bin. not in congress. not anywhere where sane people are trying to make this country work. there's a place for people like